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Gully Alex Foyle
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Posted - 2014.05.18 13:49:00 -
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Hi y'all.
I'm not a new player (relatively speaking) nor a miner. But I enjoy helping out people, for example spending some time in Rookie Help channel when I make a new alt.
Wardecs can be a challenge to new players, but to me it's clear how it's fairly easy to travel, haul, explore and even mission in highsec during a war.
However, I would think that mining effectively is a big PITA during a wardec.
Anybody have any advice on how to pull that off, too? |
Gully Alex Foyle
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Posted - 2014.05.18 17:38:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:mining ships aren't really built for combat, so it's not especially advisable
but if you have to .....
pay VERY close attention to local
stay aligned at all times
warp directly to a station & dock
then blow raspberries in local
what's the best technique to mine aligned?
have 2 safesposts in opposite directions from the asteroid belt?
then align alternatively to one and the other?
being careful to not get caught with your panties down while doing your 180-¦? else somebody will put you at 90-¦ (as we say in Italy)? |
Gully Alex Foyle
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Posted - 2014.05.19 12:28:00 -
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Thanks all for your kind replies.
Overall I understand you could even attempt to mine under a highsec wardec if you're on the ball and the deccers are incompetent or lazy. I guess at least some of the corps that randomly wardec noob corps are.
OTOH, professional, dedicated merc corps - and Kane, obviously - would make mining all but impossible.
All this 'new player highsec survival' research inspired an idea that I posted here. I would appreciate it if y'all would have a look and maybe comment - even to say it's crap.
People - even zealous ex-CSM delegates - sometimes suggest abolishing non-consensual wardecs 'for the sake of the New Players'  . I think that's bullsh*t so I tried to come up with a better way of helping out newbros with EVE's challenges. |
Gully Alex Foyle
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Posted - 2014.05.20 08:36:00 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Thanks all for your kind replies. Overall I understand you could even attempt to mine under a highsec wardec if you're on the ball and the deccers are incompetent or lazy. I guess at least some of the corps that randomly wardec noob corps are. OTOH, professional, dedicated merc corps - and Kane, obviously - would make mining all but impossible. All this 'new player highsec survival' research inspired an idea that I posted here. I would appreciate it if y'all would have a look and maybe comment - even to say it's crap. People - even zealous ex-CSM delegates - sometimes suggest abolishing non-consensual wardecs 'for the sake of the New Players' . I think that's bullsh*t so I tried to come up with a better way of helping out newbros with EVE's challenges. I read your suggestion and the answer is that your idea already exists in the form of player run corps such as EVE Uni, Brave Newbies, Red vs Blue, and maybe even some Factional Warfare corps. For the most part high sec corporations who do not wish to engage in PvP bring it on themselves for two reasons: 1) They heavily advertise themselves as a Industrial/manufacturing, mining, or 'Incursions' focused corporation. Doing this encourages those who like to 'grief' or hope to get some bling from your pimped out Incursion ship to wardec you. 2) Setting up a new corporation where others are and financially disrupting the 'locals' operation. This can involve something as obvious as strip mining all the nearby belts to setting up high sec POCOs with extortionate taxes or undercutting on the market. Basically If your high sec player corporation has been wardecced it will almost certainly be your fault.
Thanks!
Yes, E-Uni certainly does an excellent job but I think there would be several advantages to a 'PVP-training mechanic'. I posted a reply in the F&I thread if you're interested.
I don't think highsec corps focused on industry/PVE should be afraid of wardecs and go out of their way to avoid them; I think they should take the time to learn how to effectively deal with them, since it's not very hard unless you have someone like Kane on your tail.  |
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Posted - 2014.05.20 08:46:00 -
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Learned Vagrant wrote:'Gully Alex Foyle' ? I thought I was the only one who had ever read that book. 
There's certainly more, since 'Gully Foyle' and other variants were unavailable EVE toon names (that's why I added a middle name)!
For all sci-fi readers, the book is 'The Stars My Destination' by Alfred Bester, arguably one of the very greatest sci-fi novels of all time. |
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Posted - 2014.05.20 12:01:00 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:As a general rule members of high sec industry & mining corps won't be experienced and/or skilled in PvP. So their main options are to dock up, gain allies to fight the wardec, or switch corps.
Yes, this may be true in many cases, but there's no good reason for indy/mining corps to not learn the basics.
If you plan on undocking from time to time, learning basic PVP survival is easy and a very smart thing to do.
On a scale of zero (no clue) to 100 (excellent and passionate PVPer with several years of experience), knowing how to not get your ship blown up in highsec would be well under 5 in terms of effort. Sure, if you don't really enjoy PVP there's no reason at all to learn the rest.
Several posters in this thread provided excellent and easy to follow advice that would give people a very good chance of pulling off the hardest possible thing to do under a wardec (mining). Anybody would agree that other typical indy activities, such as hauling, are trivial to do safely.
Many good members of the EVE community have chosen to not engage in spaceship PVP - that's perfectly fine. But nobody really enjoys staying docked, depending on others or abbandoning their Corp. And I bet even the most peaceful industrialist would enjoy 'cheerfully giving the finger' to a war target gatecamp he just flew by in his blockade runner. 
Anybody is free to play as they prefer, but 'learn to survive - it really isn't that hard' is much better advice than 'stay docked or leave corp', imo.
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Gully Alex Foyle
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:01:00 -
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Kaea Astridsson wrote:Will fling at anyone I know or see that complains about war-decs.
Hey, thanks! This is exactly the reason why I made the thread.
Thanks again to all the helpful contributors, too. |
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